When it comes to picking gold mining names in the current market environment, John Stephenson, author and portfolio fund manager at First Asset Investment Management, believes that buying the best of breed is the way to go. In this exclusive interview, he explains his reasoning in light of how the current global economic environment is affecting prospects for the metals markets and valuations of mining company stocks. He also talks about his favorite picks in a range of three production classes and why he likes them.
Companies Mentioned: Agnico-Eagle Mines Ltd. - AuRico Gold Inc - Barrick Gold Corp. - Goldcorp Inc. - IAMGOLD Corp. - Kinross Gold Corp. - Osisko Mining Corp. - Pan American Silver Corp.
The Gold Report: As a portfolio manager and an author of two books, The Little Book of Commodity Investing and Shell Shocked: How Canadians Can Invest After the Collapse, how do you see the prospects for the resource commodities in 2012?
John Stephenson: I think, in general, my prospects and outlook are very bullish. The story continues to be one of strong demand out of China. I don't see that story changing. Obviously, there have been a lot of headlines and the Purchasing Managers' Index data in China recently are not as robust as they were, but its economy is still going to grow at 8.5–9%. That's pretty darn good. That's really where demand for most of these commodities will come from. Certainly, any improvement in Europe and the U.S. will be good news for commodities.
TGR: Are there any specific ones you think will do better than others?
JS: I'd have to say that oil will do very well. I think we'll see oil exit 2012 north of $130/barrel. Certainly, copper looks very strong. I could see that at $4.50/pound (lb) by the end of the year. Gold and precious metals will do well, also. Gold and precious metals are in a different category than the others, but, nonetheless, what I think is going to continue to drive that is Europe, and I think you'll see $2,500/ounce (oz) gold.
TGR: So in that light, I guess $4.50/lb copper isn't that far out of line, if you're expecting gold in the $2,500/oz range.
JS: I think what you're seeing across the board in commodities is very strong demand and weak supply. Nothing has happened that will improve that situation and the volatility we see daily has only made the situation worse. Suppliers have struggled to keep up. The smaller, more marginal players have had trouble getting financing as the volatility has increased. The eventual supply response, which would normally end a bull market, is going to be a long time coming.
TGR: In this recent semi-panic where gold dropped into the low $1,500/oz range and people were saying it was all over—you're certainly not a believer in that if you're predicting $2,500/oz gold.
JS: No. I'm not a believer in it. Gold shares some characteristics with other commodities in terms of supply and demand. Over the last 40 years, the average grade globally was around 9.6 grams/ton (g/t). It's now around 1 g/t. So, we're potentially facing a peak gold scenario as we may be in oil.
Look at Barrick Gold Corp. (ABX:TSX; ABX:NYSE). It recently acquired Equinox Minerals Ltd. (EQN:TSX; EQN:ASX), a copper miner. That's how it's struggling to find replacement gold reserves. It had no better idea than to buy a copper miner. This is typical across an industry facing very challenging supply conditions.
Gold is really taking on a different characteristic; it tends to be a commodity that is more of a currency than a commodity. I see it going higher ultimately because the solution to what ails Europe will be the need for the European Central Bank to step in line and start to print money. Once we have that, you're going to see gold move higher. What's kept gold down in the last few months has been that the U.S. dollar and U.S. Treasuries have become safe havens. But how much worse can things get in the world when you have the 10-year U.S. Treasury trading below 2%?
TGR: So you're pretty well convinced that we've seen the lows in the gold price?
JS: Yes. There were several reasons why the low price dropped recently. Fund managers facing redemption requests looked around and said, "Well, this has probably been the best-performing asset in my portfolio this year and maybe the last 11 years." They felt that to meet these requests, they needed to sell. So there were a lot of things that were happening that weren't really related to gold or to the bigger story of what was happening within Europe. We have an enormous amount of paper money out there being debased. And the solution for these debts really is to debase more of this paper money. In that environment, people around the world are saying, "I want something tangible. I want something real. I want something I can hold in my hand, store, put in the bank or under my mattress." And the demand is going to remain very strong. I don't see that changing.
TGR: So regardless of how all these problems evolve, as far as you're concerned, gold is going higher, no matter what?
JS: No matter what!
TGR: Obviously, you're a precious metals bull. What's your preference among the equities, the physical metal and exchange-traded funds (ETFs)? Or is it a combination of all of them?
JS: A combination makes sense. The reason people have held the equities is because they get leverage to the gold price. So assuming that costs don't increase at the same rate as the metal itself increases, you get increasing earnings and, therefore, on a consistent multiple basis, you get a higher share price and greater leverage to it.
The situation for gold miners has really changed over the last, say, four to five years. If we look back, 12 or even 15 years ago, we saw that for the first three or four years of that period, from early 2000–2004, the actual miners outpaced the metal by a three times multiple. Right now, evaluations have fallen so steadily for the miners that probably the smarter bet is to look at the equities. Certainly, the physical metal has some storage and handling costs associated with it. So I would say if you had to choose between the three, you would probably, at this point, look mainly to the miners, somewhat toward the ETFs and maybe hold a small amount physically for safekeeping.
TGR: In your portfolio management business, what criteria do you consider in selecting companies for your funds?
JS: Valuation is obviously one. We do a fair bit of work in terms of determining what we think the fair value is relative to what particular miners are trading at. We also look for reserve growth and the potential for production growth. Then I think a very important consideration is where in the world they are producing it, because geopolitical risk has taken on a whole new concern. As the traditional supply basins have started to run dry, companies have had to go further and further afield, creating additional problems. So we try to look at stable geopolitical jurisdictions that are attractive and mining friendly. We look for companies that have production histories that are strong and likely to continue, coupled with outstanding management.
TGR: Makes sense, although it is a moving target as things change, and what once appeared to be stable doesn't look so stable anymore.
JS: That's right. You can't just buy and hold. You have to keep following up.
TGR: 2011 was a tough and disappointing year for a lot of investors considering what the metals did and the resource stocks didn't do. What are you expecting to happen this year with the mining equities? Are they going to finally catch up with the commodities price?
JS: Yes. Our view is that mining equities will outperform the metals in 2012 and that now is a good time to be looking at the mining companies themselves. We think that the commodity itself will be very strong because the Europe situation is coming to a head and will be a catalyst to lift prices higher. The miners will play catch-up and multiples will go from compressing to expanding, or at least not compressing any further.
TGR: You do quite a bit of research and have become quite familiar with a broad range of companies in the mining development and production business. Can you talk about some of the ones you like, maybe starting with some of the seniors and working your way down?
JS: In terms of relative size and scale, you don't get any bigger than Barrick. The stock is trading at less than 10x earnings, which in itself is phenomenal and less than 1x net asset value (NAV). It has better growth than Newmont Mining Corp. (NEM:NYSE), and it's the largest producer in the world. It has struggled, there's no question about it, but if you're looking for a value play, something that is liquid, well managed and has very strong growth. Going with the largest in the industry at almost 9 million ounces (Moz) per year, you have to look at Barrick.
TGR: Barrick has gotten to be so big. Is it going to be able to grow internally or will it just have to continue making acquisitions?
JS: I think that's the issue, and you have correctly identified why investors have been a little skeptical on the name. At some point, things get cheap enough that you have to look at it and give it some credit. Looking back over the history of Barrick, it had a hedge book and much of its upside was hedged. Then as gold took off, people said it wasn't going to get credit for it if it had the hedge book on it. So the hedge book was taken off and unwound. Then people said it needed to show production growth, which it did.
At some point, when the chips are down, people are going to say, "Here's a company that's delivered." But, you're right. It's hard to see how it can become a 10–11 Moz producer from around 9 Moz and continue to replace reserves, particularly in a world of declining ore values. But, if you think that the world of investments is going to bounce all over the place as the headlines out of Europe dominate trading, then I think you need to be somewhere where they're printing money, and this is what Barrick is doing.
The next senior I would highlight is Goldcorp Inc. (G:TSX; GG:NYSE). This is the third largest gold producer in North America. What's unique about Goldcorp is that it offers a blend of things that are almost never found in one company. It has good growth and great production diversity—not just producing from a single mine. It's the lowest cost major producer, with cash costs at roughly $550/oz. Typical industry average is closer to $875/oz. It has a strong balance sheet, and it's operating in politically secure parts of the world. So the chance of expropriation is pretty low. And, it's liquid. So we really like this.
